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Post by ljdude on Apr 3, 2010 14:16:20 GMT -8
you saw the feedback on the work we did at The Can Opener. People complained it was too easy. But what we did was built to be sustainable, and deal with the erosion problems. People have built (tore open) a bypass around the filter. Because they didn't like it. If I can't do the filter, it makes no sense to drive around it! I'm happy with the filter, the work we did. I don't have enough Jeep for it, but I'm happy. The people I talked to about Can Opener all complained that the filter was harder then the rest of the trail! The filter was designed to be challenging!!!! It was to keep rigs/drivers that shouldn't be there out of there. The last time I was up there the top of the trail had gotten more challenging as the weather had gotten worse and the tires had been spinning. But the erosion was nothing like in the past so in my eyes the work was a success! I guess that no matter how hard people try not everyone is going to be happy. I'm just gong to be happy that there is going to be a trail system even closer to home for me even if my rig might not be able to go on all of the trails!
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Post by windturbine1 on Apr 4, 2010 17:11:52 GMT -8
i just wanted to say that im sorry for anyone that was angry with my ranting. i didnt want to do that. i have several friends with fullsize rigs and they are always asking me about the trails. i keep telling them to come to a meeting and find out for themselves. i couldnt take there crap anymore. so i do apologize to the club and anyone else who may have been offended by my behavior.
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Post by samp on Apr 4, 2010 19:16:54 GMT -8
No problem
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Post by iceman on Apr 4, 2010 20:43:13 GMT -8
I don't know that anyone was offended. As a group we just wanted say that we are going to try are hordest to make everyone happy, and to do that we need people to throw out idea's like yours so we can make the PERFECT trail system.
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Post by beatcj on Apr 5, 2010 8:16:47 GMT -8
And I think that ALL input is important. You are right, full size rigs do get shortchanged. It's really tough to design for both, though. Of course, there are things that long wheelbase rigs can do that short wheelbase rigs can't.
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Post by windturbine1 on Jun 13, 2010 15:26:46 GMT -8
ok after some thinking and some listening. i realize that i can convey my thoughts a little better. as far as the trail system goes, douglas had an idea about a mudpit area to keep people where they can wheel legally. i think the same thing for fullsize guys. all im saying is that some trails need to be wide enough to accomodate fullsize rigs. as far as obstacles are concerned, well the more the better. obstacles are in front of me, i just want to be able to get to them. while i have a cherokee for now im in the market for another ramcharger or suburban. i have spoken to quite alot of guys with fullsize rigs that feel the same way. if we had a few trails that ranked from easy to difficult then we would stay on those and have no need to go else where. the obstacles dont need to be fullsize friendly just the width of the trail. thats all im saying.
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Post by bchutchens on Jun 14, 2010 7:52:39 GMT -8
It will be a act of God to ever see a mud pit on State of Washington lands. Sorry guys.
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Post by pistonschick on Jun 14, 2010 8:10:21 GMT -8
It will be a act of God to ever see a LEGAL mud pit on State of Washington lands. Sorry guys. Fixed it for ya... We are working hard to provide a variety of challenging trails for Full-Size vehicles as well as a variety of tight & twisty trails for short wheel base. What we are NOT willing to do, is stomp our feet and throw a fit about having a mud pit - when everything we've been taught by DNR tells us that there is no way it can happen - and take the risk of losing the opportunity to build a viable trail system in the Yacolt Burn. If DNR were to allow us to build a mud bog on their property, The Department of Fish & Wildlife would not only serve DNR with a big nasty fine for failing to protect resources - they would demand the bog be closed immediately. There is no possible path to a happy "mud bog" ending on DNR land... If you want to go mud bogging, there are plenty of sanctioned Mud Bog events on private property - your failure to support these sanctioned events on a regular basis will likely lead to their demise as well... www.mudslingers4x4.comCheck em' out! Or - let's build a big mud bog in your back yard and invite everyone in the state to come and play in it.
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Post by kenny811 on Jun 14, 2010 10:55:08 GMT -8
Is the dude in the cartoon driving a Yota!!!!
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Post by themooses on Jun 14, 2010 12:25:08 GMT -8
Is the dude in the cartoon driving a Yota!!!! Naw, it's an S-10, look at the grill emblem.....
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Post by pistonschick on Jun 14, 2010 13:47:32 GMT -8
Is the dude in the cartoon driving a Yota!!!! Bwaahahahahahaha... Naw, it's an S-10, look at the grill emblem..... Fixed it for ya! ;D
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 14, 2010 14:32:14 GMT -8
Hi folks, I'm a member of several local 4wd groups. While I'm not currently a member of your site, I may join in your club at a later date ;D.
I wheel with everything from Sami's to Suburbans. I'm somewhat offended by what I read as an attitude of some people posting here about full size rigs. I really dont care if you think that a FS is too big. You choose to drive something different. Thats your choice. I drive a Bronco. The full size kind. It's what I have. I will GLADLY downsize, if you are going to buy it for me. Until then, I'll wheel the Bronco.
The people planning this trail system must remember, there are many more full size vehicles out there that may be converted to wheelers then mini's.
And I cant believe I'm going to do this, but I'm going to pull out the "it's not fair" card. If one dime of public money is to go into a project like this, it should be open access to everyone. The TSF Hogsback trail ticks me off. Moutain Bike/horse only trails tick me off. I believe open it for all, or open it for none. If you cant fit a STOCK full size 4x4 pickup in the trail (width wise, discounting turns), it should be a Motorcycle/ATV trail. I know I'm in the minority there, but so be it.
The difference between a full size friendly and friendly for a Jeep is what, a foot? I know my b'co is a bit under 80" wide. What's the latest version of the Rubicon, 74"? Just give me the extra foot and I'll be happy. Wouldnt be the first time I've hit my 1/4 panels.
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Post by pistonschick on Jun 14, 2010 15:54:50 GMT -8
Hi folks, I'm a member of several local 4wd groups. While I'm not currently a member of your site, I may join in your club at a later date ;D. I wheel with everything from Sami's to Suburbans. I'm somewhat offended by what I read as an attitude of some people posting here about full size rigs. I really dont care if you think that a FS is too big. You choose to drive something different. Thats your choice. I drive a Bronco. The full size kind. It's what I have. I will GLADLY downsize, if you are going to buy it for me. Until then, I'll wheel the Bronco. The people planning this trail system must remember, there are many more full size vehicles out there that may be converted to wheelers then mini's. And I cant believe I'm going to do this, but I'm going to pull out the "it's not fair" card. If one dime of public money is to go into a project like this, it should be open access to everyone. The TSF Hogsback trail ticks me off. Moutain Bike/horse only trails tick me off. I believe open it for all, or open it for none. If you cant fit a STOCK full size 4x4 pickup in the trail (width wise, discounting turns), it should be a Motorcycle/ATV trail. I know I'm in the minority there, but so be it. The difference between a full size friendly and friendly for a Jeep is what, a foot? I know my b'co is a bit under 80" wide. What's the latest version of the Rubicon, 74"? Just give me the extra foot and I'll be happy. Wouldnt be the first time I've hit my 1/4 panels. Dear "Anonymous" (or whoever you are), Access does not always equal enjoyment... No one who has been actively working on this trail system believes that a full size vehicle is too big for wheelin' - we just believe that there should be something for everyone - and that "something" should provide for quality recreation for all different types of 4x4's. For example, this past weekend, we surveyed a PHENOMENAL trail that would be perfect for smaller vehicles (ie Jeeps) as it currently exists in the forest. A CJ-5 was challenged to make the twists and turns, but a skilled driver could do it WITHOUT DAMAGING TREES. Unfortunately, for at least 10 points in the trail - the landscape will NOT provide the ability to make this trail any wider than it is right now. Do you really propose that we just walk away from this beautiful trail because it does not suit YOUR interests? And now I'm going to pull out the "it's not fair" card -- your words would mean so much more to me and to others if you would identify yourself instead of posting "anonymously". Chicken-poo is the phrase that comes to mind right now... In addition, just because someone on this forum or in passing conversation stated an unflattering opinion about full size rigs - that does not automatically mean that the team that is working on this trail system agrees with them... And in regards to a full size Bronco - in the past, we've taken one (a really big one) on one of the trails we are hoping to acquire (for me personally - one of the best trails in the forest) - he fit, but he busted a tire off the bead and his female passenger was on the floorboard screaming all the way through one veeeeerrrry looooooonnng section of the trail. We are relentlessly working on finding that perfect balance to make everyone happy -- taking into consideration: access, filters, signage, trail width, bridge capacity, challenge level, entertainment factor, DNR rules, Fish & Wildlife rules, WA State Rules, historical and culteral protections, private in-holding easements, relationships with other motorized groups, riparian (wet land) setbacks, salmonid (water critter) protection, multi-use consideration, potential user conflict, scenic views, sustainability, ease of maintenance, cost of maintenance, low/no impact to forest neighbors, resource protection, vandalism, gravity, Darwin and most importantly - how the hell are we gonna pay for it all? Trust me, YOUR tax dollars are not paying for these trails, OUR fund raising efforts are paying for these trails. YOUR tax dollars WILL be needed to build the campground and trailhead - feel free to complain to DNR about those if you like... Balancing all of the above while the majority of the other user groups in the forest view 4x4's as the black plague descending on their planet - just makes it all that much more fun. Please don't complain about a crime on your interests that we have not even committed. Show up at a meeting, show up at a work party -- maybe try joining the team instead of just throwing tomatoes at us all the time... Almost fifteen thousand (15,000) volunteer hours have been put into this project over the past 3 1/2 years by those who HAVE been actively involved - how many of those hours were from you? Respectfully, Crystal Crowder President Piston's Wild Motorsports
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Post by xtrmtj on Jun 14, 2010 19:57:13 GMT -8
Note to self: * Remember, NEVER get Crystal mad at me ! Also, Remember to sign up for work parties ! J/K Crystal, THANK YOU and everyone for all the hard work you all do ! Now that I/we are getting to stay in this fine city, I/we will be much more involved. Tracy & Brenda Smith
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Post by fivendime on Jun 14, 2010 20:36:49 GMT -8
I would like to invite (anonymous guest) to actively participate by registering for the forum.
On a side note do you think there would be a snowballs chance........in you know where, that horse back riders would bother to take there horses out on a trail with all the motorized rigs driving past? I think not....or at least I wouldn't want to be riding one while people went past all the time, especially on one I'm breaking in. Like we have said in the past on here we will work hard to make it user friendly for all. You too can be in the "we" group.
Also, the mud pit idea is definitely a no go for now. I think I read that DNR will only allow 12 inches of disturbed soil, depth wise. There was also a distance related to that but I dont remember what it is, basically its no mud pit.
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