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Post by toyrocs on May 26, 2010 14:40:05 GMT -8
OOPS ! Yep your correct! Should be $180,000. Sure makes a ford bridge look great! The ford bridges are in use around the country so I don't see why they should be automatically rejected ( without proper review or analysis ) for this application.
Toyrocs
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Post by iceman on May 27, 2010 9:44:26 GMT -8
keep in mind (not to be negative) they are shutting down Tellico back east partly because of the use of the ford bridges. I haven't been keeping track of it since it has been a long process. I did hear though the grape vine (hear say) that the ford bridges are leaving a negative impact on the environment. I don't believe so because I have even seen concrete slabs pored in the creek to drive on and concrete doesn't just wash away. That is what they are claming, but they were saying that the eco survey has not been released to the public. So once again something is posted negative on us but there is no evidence to prove it. Sorry I just wanted to say they are already shutting down trails for the use of this type of bridge
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Post by toyrocs on May 27, 2010 10:33:27 GMT -8
keep in mind (not to be negative) Sorry I just wanted to say they are already shutting down trails for the use of this type of bridge You could be correct, but remember that the use of this bridge type (ford) can just be an excuse to shut down the area, without scientific analysis. All claims of damage for a bridge of this type must be substantiated with unbiased proper science for each location. My first reaction to the above ( shutting down areas ) is the anti OHV interests will use any & ALL means to keep us all out of OUR lands. This would include making false statements, improper science, biased data or no data collection at all! Referencing out of date or extreme case studies that have no relevance to the condition on the ground for each specific area in question. Each bridge must be reviewed for it's suitability for each location. Habitat, fish types, water flow, seasonal low/ high/ storm 100 year flood, stream bed composition, span construction, piers/ footings, entrance type/ length / materials, projected yearly use, economics, safety, yearly maintenance! Many many variables just to name a few! Toyrocs
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Post by shortbus on May 27, 2010 11:12:14 GMT -8
I thought I would put in my two cents on the ford bridge. I am from the east coast and have spent many years wheeling at Tellico and when they first put them in it was a good idea but after about five years they figured out that they used the wrong concret mix and it fell apart. After replacing it it was all good till some yahoos thought it was a good idea to travel up and down the creeks and then they started to wash there rigs in the creeks which was mostly mud and the rigs with real bad oil,diff,and tranny leaks would drip oil in the creeks. Unfortunately that area was being destroyed by a hole lot of people that would not put there time and money back into it to repair the trails, just like what has happend up at Rietter. And agin this is just what I have seen and does not mean that would be the case in every creek bed.
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Post by iceman on May 27, 2010 20:57:01 GMT -8
That’s a good point tycros. I just wanted to bring up that they have caused problems for other OHV parks in the past and that should be something we think about. On the other hand I do think that if we are going to make a bridge in my opinion it should be legal road width. Although I guess the wider the bridge the more it cost, but if we are planning a park then lets make it for everyone. I will tell you that if the bridge is not wide enough it is asking for problems down the road with people going around the bridge. Meaning if people don't fit on the bridge they will find a way around. It will only cause problems. So if they can fit on the road to get there then they should be able to make it across the bridge. This is just my opinion I know we don't really want to spend a bunch of extra money but I think it will be worth while in this since. ;D
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Post by mikeames on May 29, 2010 14:18:51 GMT -8
I did some checking today about composite/ fiberglass single span bridges. 10' wide ( total) X 90' long ( available up to aprox 120' long )$2,000 a linear foot. That's FOB ( factory). + truck shipping + site preparation / footings + transport to site + other equipment rentals during erection + other professional services? 90' @ $2,000 ft ( could be greater) = $18,000 Truck Shipping from Midwest = ? Site preparations/ materials = ? Transport on trail system = ? Rental crane? Large backhoe? = ? Volunteer manpower? = ? Professional services? = ? I could be WAY off ( on the low side) on the Bridge costs so could you guys come up with some other ($)#s. Toyrocs Out of curiosity, what was the amount of weight that bridge was made to support?
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