Post by thekid on Dec 15, 2011 10:54:45 GMT -8
i just dont get this, some guy over on another forum im on, is trying to tell me and the other guys that lockers a better than a winch... how so!? they cost more, they still wont get you out of some stuff(i have yet to see a truck with any type of locker set up climb a 15' vertical waterfall with out a winch). the simple rule is, a winch will get you out of what lockers got you into. lockers a great, dont get me wrong i have an ARB air locker in my runner and plan on adding lockers to my other two rigs.
also if you are friends with ARB and or WARN on facebook, you might have noticed how ARB continually give suttle little plugs to WARN, a lot more than WARN gives the same plugs back to ARB. its not cause WARN thinks they are better or superior to ARB(both are top notch companies) but ARB knows that lockers have more of a limitation and can only do so much. a winch on the other hand is only limited to the mount and available power source, and its anchor, but we assume that if you have a winch, you have the means to anchor it. -tree strap, dead man, shackle/D-ring ect., its the same with a locker (we assume you have the air source if its an air locker), and halfways decent tires. but again the locker limits you to only the available traction and terra, a winch does not care if its icy, or snowy, or muddy or sandy... it will still work providing you have the anchor(another vehicle -dont ever go wheeling alone).
how are lockers better than a winch? they cost more, and you can still get stuck with them. i have yet to find a situation where a winch would or could not get me unstuck? i have wheeled on the rubicon, fordyce , lassen national forest, tillimook state forest, oregons sand dunes, all throughout the PNW cascades and eastern oregon desert, to iraq(all of those all times of the year). i have yet to find a place that my winch or another persons winch could not get them through or out of. i have seen plenty of times that lockers where not cutting it, and where lockers ended up breaking stuff on guys trucks. you can pick up a winch for cheep(although i would not recommend it) say $ 300 brand new, you can not have a locker set up and installed for that unless you do the work yourself. now lets go to the other end of the spectrum, you buy an ARB locker(arguably the best available, at $900+/- (we havent even looked at install or a compressor yet), you can pick up a warn M8000 for $700 all day long. thats $200 cheaper. oh and thats only one locker, not dual lockers, a winch on a mobile mount can go to the front or the back so take that $200 you just saveed by buying a winch over one locker, and buy a mobile mount and fill your truck full of gas and head out for some fun.
i have been around trucks and 4wheeling sense i was probably 12, im now 28 thats over half my life and id say i have a lot more experience than most other guys out there, sure im not Bill Burke or Marlin Czajkowsk or anyone like that, but i know a thing or two from experiences and (un)common sense. ask either of they two guys i just mentioned, i bet they will tell you the same thing(i have never talked with them on this subject nor have i ever met Bill, i hope to someday get the honor).
his argument
"my thoughts on that ^^^^
no lockers: wheel spin/hard to control/momentum must be used = dangerous (and you break stuff)
lockers: slow = control = safer"
now feel free to chime in and tell me your thoughts, and or if im wrong or way off base.
also if you are friends with ARB and or WARN on facebook, you might have noticed how ARB continually give suttle little plugs to WARN, a lot more than WARN gives the same plugs back to ARB. its not cause WARN thinks they are better or superior to ARB(both are top notch companies) but ARB knows that lockers have more of a limitation and can only do so much. a winch on the other hand is only limited to the mount and available power source, and its anchor, but we assume that if you have a winch, you have the means to anchor it. -tree strap, dead man, shackle/D-ring ect., its the same with a locker (we assume you have the air source if its an air locker), and halfways decent tires. but again the locker limits you to only the available traction and terra, a winch does not care if its icy, or snowy, or muddy or sandy... it will still work providing you have the anchor(another vehicle -dont ever go wheeling alone).
how are lockers better than a winch? they cost more, and you can still get stuck with them. i have yet to find a situation where a winch would or could not get me unstuck? i have wheeled on the rubicon, fordyce , lassen national forest, tillimook state forest, oregons sand dunes, all throughout the PNW cascades and eastern oregon desert, to iraq(all of those all times of the year). i have yet to find a place that my winch or another persons winch could not get them through or out of. i have seen plenty of times that lockers where not cutting it, and where lockers ended up breaking stuff on guys trucks. you can pick up a winch for cheep(although i would not recommend it) say $ 300 brand new, you can not have a locker set up and installed for that unless you do the work yourself. now lets go to the other end of the spectrum, you buy an ARB locker(arguably the best available, at $900+/- (we havent even looked at install or a compressor yet), you can pick up a warn M8000 for $700 all day long. thats $200 cheaper. oh and thats only one locker, not dual lockers, a winch on a mobile mount can go to the front or the back so take that $200 you just saveed by buying a winch over one locker, and buy a mobile mount and fill your truck full of gas and head out for some fun.
i have been around trucks and 4wheeling sense i was probably 12, im now 28 thats over half my life and id say i have a lot more experience than most other guys out there, sure im not Bill Burke or Marlin Czajkowsk or anyone like that, but i know a thing or two from experiences and (un)common sense. ask either of they two guys i just mentioned, i bet they will tell you the same thing(i have never talked with them on this subject nor have i ever met Bill, i hope to someday get the honor).
his argument
"my thoughts on that ^^^^
no lockers: wheel spin/hard to control/momentum must be used = dangerous (and you break stuff)
lockers: slow = control = safer"
now feel free to chime in and tell me your thoughts, and or if im wrong or way off base.