Just starting to do some reading and research on snow sleds. If anyone on this forum has experience with snowmobiles and brands and models that I should look at and or stay away from please let me know. Some of the things I'm looking for in a sled are: -Will hold up to two people if needed -Has reverse -Is as light weight as possible -Compact as possible (length X width) -Works well in ungroomed trails/roads
Planning on using it on ungroomed trails/roads.
Since i'm asking for allot maybe a sled that won't break the bank!
Post by racincowboy on Oct 11, 2009 17:43:06 GMT -8
Well Flip flop I just got my sleds two seasons ago and I am still learning. We ride mostly groomed trails and some powder on Mt Hood.
Oldyeller or Pistonschick have the most info on the sledding stuff. I have an Artic Cat ZR 600 EFI short track and a Artic Cat 600 EFI Powder Special.
Hopefully they will be along shortly. I am guessing here but if you are riding non groomed trails all the time then a longer track sled maybe something you will want to look into. That is all I got. Sorry I couldnt be more help.
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I don't know much either flipflop, but heres the bits I do.
Touring model. They are nice, but big. Bigger allowing for two people and made more for distance than hill climbing. Comfy though, and reverse (while an option) is usually included on most of the touring models I have seen. I would see quite a few of these down in California on the Siera's where folks would load up a sled to pull behind the sled with food and gear and head off into the mountians 40-50+ miles and stay in a cabin.
I'm not sure this what your after though. Kinda sounds like you want a more sporty / aggressive sled that can also hold two people for a short distance / if needed type of thing. My old Polaris 500 would hold me and one of the kids, not comfy, but it could be done. Our helmets always banged together which drove me nuts on anything longer than a couple miles. The wife hates snow so I never got her on it....
I'm not sure but I think reverse is an option for just about any sled. Not saying I have ridden a lot of snowmobiles, but I can only think of a couple times where I really wished I had reverse. Would have been nice, and so would an electric starter, but I didn't miss it much.
I was going to say to check out the MT Hood Snowmobile club web site and see if they have any good info. www.mthoodsnowmobileclub.com/ but it looks like you have to be a member now to see the forum. Hmmm.... Maybe check out snowmobileforum.com
I don't think I answered anything here.... Sorry about that.
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Post by pistonschick on Oct 12, 2009 12:14:19 GMT -8
I'm still doing some research but I wanted to let you know that I was working on it.
Are you talking about two people riding as in you and another adult or you and a child. Small frame, medium frame, large frame?This information will help me with my research...
What kind of budget are you thinking about? 2k, 5k, 10k
Generally, "Two-Ups" - are sleds that are made for two people and they don't handle well off of groomed trails. We have a 1998 Polaris Indy Touring which is a really nice ride on groomed trails with two people and can be an "adequate" ride for one person off of groomed trails - certainly not nimble, but capable. I would not likely go hill climbing with this tank of a sled.
Most importantly the sled has to be built to handle the weight it is carrying - two adults on a standard sled will likely cause suspension issues and will cause unwanted extra maintenance not to mention poor handling because the weight might be distributed inappropriately. Some suspension can be "beefed up" to handle the extra weight, but handling will still be awkward at best off of the groomed trails.
The weight of the sled, cleat depth on the track, the track length and front suspension will determine how well a sled handles in deep snow off of groomed trails.
Light sled, deep cleats, long track & late model suspension = powder dream.
Heavy sled, shallow cleats, short track, older suspension = powder nightmare.
Most touring models come with "shallow" tracks and won't be able to propel very well in deep powder but make a nice fat "footprint" and is less likely to sink as long as you keep the momentum moving forward. Stopping a touring sled in deep powder almost always guarantees at least an hour of "dig out" time.
Most all two-ups come with reverse and electric start capabilities - both of which add weight to the sled.
I have a 1999 Arctic Cat Powder Special. This is a powerful machine (700cc) but still quite a heavy sled compared to today's standards. I have a 144" track with 2" cleats. I would imagine that my sled can easily carry about 275 pounds of passengers and gear without too many problems. I go everywhere with this sled (except extreme deep powder) with about 5 years riding experience. Sometimes it's not pretty to watch, but that's my lack of riding skill, not the sled's fault.
We also have a 2000 Polaris RMK 700 with a 144" track and 2" cleats that adequately carried a 300+ lb rider plus gear for 5 years with no major problems (lots and lots of miles logged). This sled can go absolutely EVERYWHERE.
The more weight you put on a sled the "lower" it rides. The "lower" it rides, the harder it has to work -- ie, more wear and tear. Instead of easily skimming across the top of the snow - it's digging in deep and having to move more snow...
Post up to the questions above and I will try to find some more detailed answers for you...
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Post by racincowboy on Oct 15, 2009 17:48:01 GMT -8
You should be able to find a really nice sled for under 5k. I saw a few sleds for sale today in Sandy at Fred's RV in town there where the Chevy dealer used to be.
There was a newer arctic cat zrt 800 (I believe it was an 800)and also a polaris and a couple others that looked to be in good condition driving by of course.
Also what kind of rider is your wife is she experienced? What size of sled were you thinking of getting her? Is she a pin it wide open type or a cruise the trails and take it easy type of person?
Watch craigslist as well that is where I found mine at. Well actually thats where Pistonschick found them when I was on my 450 mile journey to buy the trailer and one sled on the same saturday. I was all over Oregon and Washington that day lol.
Hope this helps some Lance
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My wife has been on a snowmobile once. She is one of those riders thats a "hammer down & hair back" sorts. Where I'm more of a leisurely explorer that prefers slow technical runs. She kinda of scares me when she drives(waverunners, snowmobiles, bumper cars ect.) you get the point.
Anywes a coworker took some measurements for me from her RMK900. I was totally disappointed at how long these things are. It measured around 10' long, there's no way that thing will fit on the back of my toyota pickup. My little tray is right at 6' long which is waaaay to short . However looking at some of the newer designs the new sleds seem to be shorter or at least they look like it. But I haven't seen any measurements to prove it.
Oh yah I'm not sure what size sled to get her(maybe a 400-500cc). The smallest and cheapest possible would be nice so that when it ends up tagging a burried stump or tree in the powder or until she's more experienced with the starter sled, then she can get a newer, more performanced based race car model. But don't tell her I said that, I've been told your first sled can get pretty beat up from the ski's up
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