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Post by hootie on Feb 9, 2009 21:06:41 GMT -8
Here is a link to the forum that is advertising this new area. 92 acres, has RV and Tent camping. Will hold several events each year. areas for cycles, quads and 4x4 trucks. It is to include a large rock crawl, Mud bogs, and a trail system. This is what we need and can use more of em. Good Luck to the group that is doing this. Lets support it and help it grow. It is located 18 miles south of Dallas Oregon, near Salem Oregon krustymuddemons.webs.com/index.htm
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Post by Jon on Feb 26, 2009 19:08:18 GMT -8
the web site isnt working for me
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Post by pistonschick on Feb 26, 2009 21:48:36 GMT -8
Hey Jon,
One of two things probably happened.
1) the site may have been off-line during your attempt for maintenance and/or updates
2) there is a really obnoxious pop-up that jumps open with the page - if you have a powerful pop-up blocker - this will stop the page from opening for your computers own protection
Try again and see what happens...
CC
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Post by Jon on Feb 26, 2009 22:23:06 GMT -8
Sure enough ;D Works now
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Post by pistonschick on May 6, 2009 23:38:26 GMT -8
Update regarding:
IN YOUR FACE OFF ROAD MOTOR SPORTS PARK Krusty Mud Demons are sad to say that we are unable to get the permits required for this park. It has been a long battle and I have not given up on the hopes of a park in Polk County. I am currently consulting with a lawyer to find a sollution. Thank you for all the support recieved on this project.
The reason for not being able to abtain permits are as follows:
1. Polk County zoning does not allow for this type of use except where it is contiguous to lands with a park or other outdoor natural amenity that is accessible for recreational use by the occupants of the campground.
Our apologies to everyone!
This has not been the only project KMD motor sports has been working on. We are currently working with Longview Sand Drags to build a rock crawl race way at Barllow Point just north of Longview Wash. We have been given the green light to start construction and expect to have construction done by the first week in June. I will meet with them April 21 2009 to discuss all the terms and conditions. Hope to see you at the races in June.
The rock races will be very extreme. The races will be the new style of rock racing. Balls Out till you finish or break!!!!! Very intense and will be a great show!
WE WILL KEEEP EVERYONE INFORMED !!!!
And for the dirt bike and quad guys there is a track for you to use at Barllow Point. Maybe we can get somthing going for races there???
And last but not least mudboggers. I am currently finding info for circle track races with 4 trucks side by side racing together doing laps in the mud. Really need some feed back for this if it is interesting to the public or not. Would you enter your truck or build a truck to race?
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Post by Jon on May 7, 2009 11:16:46 GMT -8
Whats that??? a race in June? ;D Where is this Barlow point of which they speak? I've been known to attend a race or two (well only one so far ) and would make the trek up to watch the carnage! Bummer about the park in Dallas not being approved. I still think a different name might have been good, but it sounds like even if they called this "The flower and daisy hugging park" it still wouldn't be approved. I have to admit this is one of the tings I was clueless about until I dug into it a bit. You'd think that if you bought some land, you could do with it as you please... It's yours after all. Unfortunately thats not the case, you may own the land, but ultimately you still may not be able to do things with it. And its not just a US thing, same thing just happened to a track in Quebec. They've been having races for years, on private land, helping raise funds for a deaf school. A small (1 maybe two!!) group of neighbors petioned the town council to have it closed down. They where successful, so no race this year, no tourism money to the local community, and no funds raised for the deaf school this year. The reason for closing that one. To noisey... Yes, the race that was next to the deaf school that helped raise money for the deaf school was deemed to be to loud of an event to allow continue. "Isn't it ironic"
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Post by pistonschick on May 7, 2009 12:55:11 GMT -8
Ironic only describes part of the nightmare of opening up new lands for motorsports.
Alanis Morissette is in the same category as Joe cocker, love the music -- just can't watch them perform it...
I digress...
One of the hardest things I have ever done is join the crusade to try to open new areas for motorsports recreation.
I had to learn patience (lots and lots of patience). That's why sometimes I may seem distant or grumpy - please don't take it personally - I'm probably envisioning myself choking the living shit out of someone who just screwed up all of my hard work or chewing someone out who just dropped the ball. This all happens in my head because I can't actually do that or I would probably be in jail.
I've had to learn how to control my natural reactions to extreme dissapointment. As a general rule - I have a self imposed 24 hour waiting period prior to responding to something that really pisses me off.
It's really, really hard to keep my thoughts to myself. When I saw the "Krusty Mud Demons" website for the "In Your Face Off-Road Park", I was excited that someone was trying to make something happen, but also sick to my stomach knowing full well the problems that those nomikers were going to cause for these guys. I hope they learn and adjust, but mostly I hope that they keep trying.
I've had to sit in meetings and declare to government agencies, their staff and the concerned public that we're not into mudding and that we don't tear things up, all the while I am a paying member of an an association that has clubs with names that don't support that impression: Mud Puppies, Mudder Chuckers, Mud Daubers, Trailbreakers and Total Destruction. Even though I know the real meaning of those names and the history behind them and the fact that they are some of the most responible, community minded individuals you will ever meet - the agencies (and the public) don't have that insight - which can sometimes lead to problems.
There are so many instances that can derail a project. The most innocent of conversations, the things people on "the inside" might talk about in a public place amongst themselves and be overheard by the ONE PERSON who has the power to shut it all down.
Sometimes you can be meeting with a land owner, or a government offical or someone else who is a major player in the project. Let's say in casual discussion you mention a personal belief or feeling (let's say something political) and your vision happens to not only be the opposite of the other person - but they are actually a radical, raving lunitic for the other position -- GAME OVER, all of your hard work, the hundreds and hundreds of hours - gone, kaput.
I lay awake at night replaying everthing I've said and done and wonder if I may have slipped up. I write, read, re-read and re-read again every e-mail before I hit "send" and every post I make on every forum before I hit "submit". And then after I send or post them, I re-read them again just to make sure...
Most of all I worry about the guy I don't even know - the guy that I haven't even met. THAT GUY (or gal), who thumbs their nose at society and lives by his (or her) own set of rules. THAT GUY who thinks that this is HIS planet and we're all just visiting. THAT GUY who thinks that he is the baddest 4-wheeler around. THAT GUY who has NO FLIPPIN' CLUE.
This is the guy I worry about the most.
Who is going to see him tearing up a protected meadow, or driving down the road with mud all over his truck? Who is going to be the person who gets in a fatal accident because he decided to drink and drive and swerve his big, bad 4x4 all over the highway? Who will see him driving his big bad 4x4 down a historic hiking trail tearing up the vegetation? Who will be in line at the grocery store while he's on his cell phone bragging to his buddy about the big mud bog he played in last night behind a closed gate? Who is going to accidently come across his You Tube videos of destroying everything his tires come in contact with while they are searching for the video of their 2 year old granddaughter making mud pies.
Who?
Who do I hope it will be? -- one of us, so we can turn his dumb ass in to the authorities.
Who will it probably be? -- one of the major players in one of the current projects I'm working on.
If today was your last day...
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Post by Jon on May 7, 2009 16:32:20 GMT -8
I can't even imagine how hard working through all these things must be, thats why I try to help out when I can, but being involved in the longer term aspects of projects and dealing with all of the politics that must go on.... I can't even fathom how stressfully that may be. I appreciate all the work you folks go through to try and create and keep open the places that I can respectfully and responsibly wheel in and hang out. Another one of the reasons I try and help out in so many projects that give back to those locations, that give back to all the hard work that was done to create these places. Thank you, and thanks to everyone on both the front end and the back of creating these places. It's a shame about the off road park in Dallas. Hopefully something can be worked out longer term. It was a place I was thinking of heading down to, and hope to still be able to some day. On a side note, Alanis Morissette scares me. I put her in the category of "women who if I dated may kill me in my sleep". ;D
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