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Post by fivendime on Oct 11, 2009 23:44:16 GMT -8
Winds N to NE at 5 mph gusting from the East from 15-22 mph. Fire moving at a rate of 1 foot every 10 minutes uphill. Winds dont seem to be having any real effect on the rate of the fire.
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flipflop
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Post by flipflop on Oct 11, 2009 23:50:52 GMT -8
Thanks for all of the updates everyone.
flip.flop
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Post by fivendime on Oct 12, 2009 0:24:55 GMT -8
Not much on the scanner going on. They have been moving rigs around and letting people go home for the night. They let DNR take over another rig. DNR is also using one of the local Fire Stations for a command post. I believe its the one over near the JC staging area, or the one over near the 4 corners area....don't quote me on that. Its been difficult to filter through all the other chatter on the scanner.
AND with that note folks, I am headed for bed since I'm crazy tired.
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jeeper78
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Post by jeeper78 on Oct 12, 2009 0:33:04 GMT -8
DNR "babysitting" the fire tonight. Bringing in many resources at 6AM including air support to knock the fire down.
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Post by oltmann on Oct 12, 2009 6:02:49 GMT -8
Hope they get a handle on this quick. With the wind in the forecast it could take a bit of work to do. Hopefully the rain comes in early and hard tonight.
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Post by Jon on Oct 12, 2009 9:03:16 GMT -8
You can smell at my house here way over in NW Vantucky. At first I thought it was just from last night... I'm going to see what I can see later on today once I get done with the day job. Hopefully there wont be any flames by then....
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Post by Jon on Oct 12, 2009 11:30:48 GMT -8
www.columbian.com/article/20091011/NEWS02/710129942/Firefighters+battling+brush+fire+north+of+WashougalFirefighters battling brush fire north of Washougal Sunday, October 11 | 11:09 p.m.
BY DAVE KERN COLUMBIAN STAFF WRITER
Fire crews Sunday night were battling a quick-moving 30-acre wildfire on state land at the Clark-Skamania border.
The fire is in the Yacolt Burn State Forest, which is Department of Natural Resources land. At 10:30 p.m., the DNR took command of the firefighting effort.
It was first reported at 6:40 p.m. as a 5-acre fire. Witnesses said they saw 15-foot flames.
"In the span of one hour … we estimate it grew by a factor of four to about 20 acres." said Rick Knapp, public information officer for East County Fire and Rescue in Camas.
"This is a very dangerous fire because of the winds, because it’s at night and because of the terrain. The terrain is very steep, woody, downed trees."
About 10:30 p.m., he said there were no injuries to firefighters.
The fire is north of Jackson Pass and northeast of the Jones Creek Campground.
"At one point it jumped the L1500 Road," Knapp said. "We’re not aware of any structures in the area. Based on how fast it was moving and the difficult terrain, a second alarm was called out for manpower at 7:19."
"The wind keeps pushing it," said Sgt. Tim Bieber of the Clark County Sheriff’s Office at 10:15 p.m. He said deputies were advising people with homes in the Jones Creek area to consider evacuating.
Bieber said there were fears that the fire was moving into timber. Winds were estimated at 15-20 mph.
Area roads, which were blocked by fire equipment, also will be blocked to people at Four Corners, Jones Creek and the L1500 Road by Jackson Pass, Bieber said.
Knapp said, "We can’t get any air support until daylight. We’re combating the fire from both the north and south sides."
He said firefighters on the south side were chased down a gravel road at one point by flames. "They had to drop their equipment (hoses) and retreat," he said.
"They’ve since regrouped. We’re trying to contain it."
Knapp said crews are from East County Fire & Rescue, Fire District 3, Vancouver, Camas, Washougal, Clark County Fire and Rescue, Fire District 6, DNR and Skamania County.
He said emergency officials have mapping programs and would be calling residents in the area.
There was a possibility that officials would ask a logging crew if their heavy equipment could be used to fire the blaze.
More than once Sunday night, 911 dispatchers called for volunteers to help fight the fire. Local NewsCrew continue battling fast-moving fire Residents allowed back in homes Monday, October 12 | 8:55 a.m. BY LAURA MCVICKER COLUMBIAN STAFF WRITER Crews are working this morning to contain a fast-moving fire at the Clark-Skamania border that may have ballooned to 50 acres overnight, officials said. www.columbian.com/article/20091012/NEWS02/710139996/Crew+continue+battling+fast-moving+fireThe fire is in the Yacolt Burn Forest, north of Jackson Pass and northeast of the Jones Creek Campground. The fire was estimated at 30 acres late Sunday night, and early reports this morning indicate it's now between 30 and 50 acres, said Russ Hovey, spokesman for the Department of Natural Resources. Hovey expects to have a better estimate later this morning.
A handful of residents in the Jones Creek area were evacuated Sunday night. This morning, they were allowed back in their homes after crews decided the fire was no longer a threat to any structures or people, Hovey said.
A crew of 110 firefighters are now battling the blaze and expect to have it contained by 7 p.m. tonight. Hovey said crews believe a forecast for rain will work in their favor.
"It was the wind that caused it to grow so fast in a short period of time," he said. "We do expect the wind to continue for a bit, but a forecast of rain is right behind it."
The fire was first reported at 6:40 p.m. Sunday. Fueled by high winds, the fire quickly began burning the steep, woody terrain of logging slash and brush, and grew 20 acres in an hour.
Hovey said fire investigators don't yet know a cause.NW Cable news is reporting "at least 50 acres burned". I haven't heard any status on containment yet.
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beatcj
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Post by beatcj on Oct 12, 2009 12:27:39 GMT -8
The fire is mostly in slash at the junction of the 1500 and 1600. I was there from 10:00 last night until 7:30 this morning. my eyes are burning, just a little. Originally, our Tender staged up at 4 Corners, then when DNR assumed command of the fire and cut down on the expensive crews, we moved to The big stockpile at the C-loop, then after the crews on the north were sent home, we supported the DNR Engines at Jackson Pass. We had to get there via County Roads, since the fire blocked the 1500 just to the north of Jackson Pass. Took 90 minutes, almost exactly.
I don't know for sure what is happening now, I just turned my radio back on, but we really don't expect too much more expansion.
We did see flame heights over 40 feet this morning, and had a few spots to knock down, but not too bad. Even though the relative humidities were low, we were glad they weren't in critical ranges.
We were up at that very intersection in June, training for this very thing. We WILL get another Yacolt Burn type fire. The Fire District that covers Hockinson has been VERY active in training for over a decade, they know they will be on the bleeding edge when the big one hits. We're pretty lucky here, we do have some very well trained and organized firefighters to deal with fires like this.
Of course, we WILL be glad for the rain to come and teh winds to ease back!
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beatcj
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Post by beatcj on Oct 12, 2009 12:37:58 GMT -8
Sounds like they are staging the tender there where c loop crosses the road just south of jackson pass pit where we got the burned up cherokee out of at the clean up. At the big pile of gravel. Hopefully they know not to drive around too far into the gravel pits or les schwab maybe really busy tonight fixing tires on emergency rigs. That was me. The tread in my tires is over an inch deep, you should have seen where I took it up by Leavenworth a few years ago!
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Post by bchutchens on Oct 12, 2009 13:36:08 GMT -8
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Post by Jon on Oct 12, 2009 14:30:46 GMT -8
Sounds like they are staging the tender there where c loop crosses the road just south of jackson pass pit where we got the burned up cherokee out of at the clean up. At the big pile of gravel. Hopefully they know not to drive around too far into the gravel pits or les schwab maybe really busy tonight fixing tires on emergency rigs. That was me. The tread in my tires is over an inch deep, you should have seen where I took it up by Leavenworth a few years ago! Thanks for the update and thanks for the work you guys did last night! Your report sounds better than the news people are reporting.
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Post by bchutchens on Oct 12, 2009 14:53:54 GMT -8
This what we saw Saturday night- It could have been started from any of the four fires in the area Saturday night. If the fireman would have just checked out the gravel pit by Jackson Pass or the BAZ gate. We only had enough water for a small fire up from 4 Corners. They did have time to put out the Arrowhead G-Pit fire. But he said that they wouldn't have any problems with fires in the Jackson Pass area. And he talked to a pickup truck with a load of pallets in the back. It was a Dodge crew cab. I Dont think he should have let them go up to the next fire. And what about them getting names of the people at the Arrowhead fire. Didn't seem like any tickets or names got taken. They didn't take much time with them. But maybe they did. And did the firemen in the truck get a licence plate to the Dodge? I think he was wrong just letting them go. We would have gladdle followed him over to the Jackson Pass gravel pit, if just asked. I really hope that DNR hears and asked him about it.
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Post by pistonschick on Oct 12, 2009 14:56:16 GMT -8
I just got off of the phone a few minutes ago with Brian Poehlein (Pacific Cascade Region Recreation District Manager of the Department of Natural Resources).
I downloaded to him all of the information that we had from our "unofficial" forest watch patrol on Saturday night.
He thanked the members of Piston's Wild for their diligence and indicated that he would forward that information onto the the fire investigators. He also indicated that I might expect a phone call from the investigators "if" they determine that the fire started from either Jackson Pass gravel pit (likely) or Baz gate (not likely).
If anyone that was there Saturday night has any specific details about who or what you saw at the Jackson Pass gravel pit on Saturday night - please PM me (not on this public forum thread) with the details of what you saw. Jackson Pass pit is the one that we drove up the little hill into the pit and the fire was on the backside of the gravel pile. This is where Bill mentioned that they were pointing spotlights back at him.
Any information that you can provide is greatly appreciated. Even the smallest detail might be useful - I look forward to hearing from you...
Crystal
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Post by bchutchens on Oct 12, 2009 14:57:22 GMT -8
Wildfire Investigation and Cost Recovery www.dnr.wa.gov/RecreationEducation/Topics/FireInformation/Pages/rp_wildfire_investigation_and_cost_recovery.aspx•Solving the puzzle •Cost Recovery •Public Disclosure Welcome to the Wildland Fire Cost Recovery and Investigation Program for the Washington State Department of Natural Resources. We’re headquartered in Olympia. About 85 percent of all wildfires that occur annually in Washington are human caused. The majority of those human caused fires could have been avoided. By law, Washington’s Department of Natural Resources (DNR) must recover costs associated with the suppression of wildfires that occur on the 12.7 million acres of state-owned or private forestland that are in the department’s protection—if those fires were considered to be criminally or negligently caused. DNR’s Resource Protection Division is responsible for fire suppression, fire protection, fire management, cost recovery and wildfire investigation oversight. Solving the puzzle DNR is required under the Revised Code of Washington (RCW) Chapter 76.04 to investigate all wild land forest fires that occur within the Department’s areas of protection. The agency is to recover fire suppression costs from responsible parties that are associated with the criminal or negligent cause of those fires. RCW 76.04.015, Fire Protection Powers and Duties of Department- Enforcement– Investigation– Administration. (3), (c) The Department shall: “Investigate the origin and cause of all forest fires to determine whether either a criminal act or negligence by any person, firm or corporation caused the starting, spreading or existence of the fire.” Commonly Asked Questions about DNR Investigations of Wildland Forest Fires A wildfire’s point of origin The precise location where the ignition source came into contact with the material first ignited and sustained combustion occurred. DNR investigators apply technical skills and a set of standardized scientific methodologies —practices that have been peer-reviewed and have received general acceptance by the profession. They employ a systematic methodology used in the science and engineering disciplines. This includes: •Gathering data and facts •Analyzing data and facts •Drawing conclusions based upon analysis Proper and timely investigations of the origin and cause help clearly identify the ignition source, first materials ignited, ignition factors and the responsible party. Fire suppression cost recoveries normally follow when negligence or criminal intent is determined. Cost Recovery Wildfires can be expensive to suppress. The severity of the fire, the terrain, the threat to forest lands, humans, wildlife, structures and other assets helps to determine the level and urgency of the suppression effort. Of the 85 percent of wildfires that occur in Washington’s state and private forests that are human caused, about 52 percent are determined to have been negligently or intentionally started. If DNR investigators determine that the origin and cause of the fire is negligent and/or criminal, the responsible individual(s) will be notified by DNR of our intent to recover the suppression costs of the fire from them, as required by law. As a result, the recovery of costs associated with these wildfires often requires litigation at various levels. The department may pursue criminal charges against those individuals responsible for causing wildfires for violations of RCW 9A.48, RCW 76.04, WAC 332.24 or other statutes or ordinances where enforcement is necessary for the protection of state and privately owned forestlands and other property that falls under the department’s wildfire jurisdiction. If criminal charges are pursued, DNR normally will request criminal restitution for the costs associated with the suppression of the fire. The simplest way to avoid having to pay any wild fire suppression cost recoveries is to ‘burn smart’ when you have to burn, and ensure your legal fire is completely extinguished prior to leaving it unattended. Link to www.dnr.wa.gov/RecreationEducation/Topics/FireBurningRegulations/Pages/rp_burn_fireburnfuelmgt.aspx Public Disclosure of wildfire investigation reports Once an investigator completes a wildland forest fire investigation, he or she writes an investigation report and forwards it to his or her supervisor for review. The supervisor reviews the investigation report and makes a recommendation as to whether or not the case file is complete. If the investigation needs follow up to gather more information, the case is either returned to the lead investigator or reassigned. If the case file is considered to be complete by the supervisor or state forester, the case is considered to be a public document pursuant to RCW 42.56. To obtain a wildland forest fire case file, contact DNR’s Public Disclosure Program Administrator via email at publicdisclosure@dnr.wa.gov, by FAX (360) 902-1789 or directly at (360) 902-1393. You can also visit the Public Disclosure webpage at: www.dnr.wa.gov/BusinessPermits/HowTo/Government/Pages/amp_how_do_i_request_public_records.aspx
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Post by pistonschick on Oct 12, 2009 15:20:08 GMT -8
Hello,
Some of you may have noticed that I have been doing a little moderating on this thread over the last 24 hours.
The majority of my edits are addressing accuracy of information, attitude and tone towards our partners in the forest and a few minor grammatical and spelling errors where they detract from the intention of the post.
I apologize in advance for any inconvenience my moderations may have caused. Please remember that many other agencies and user groups regularly visit our forum and that we can't afford to alienate anyone (even if it was not intentional).
Thank you again for your contribution to this thread regarding the "Jackson 3" fire in the Yacolt Burn - I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts...
Kind regards,
Crystal
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